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BERNIE SANDERS' NEVADA WIN IS A BREAKOUT MOMENT. THE OTHERS ARE TOAST Richard Wolffe
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‘The only candidate who made any strategic sense on Saturday was Sanders’ Photograph: Callaghan O’Hare/Reuters There are no second prizes in presidential contests. No silver medals. No participation trophies. There are, however, endless numbers of delusional candidates and campaigns who insist that they will sweep the later states, or take their delegates to the convention, or contest the legitimacy of the nomination process.
This was the position of one Bernie Sanders four years ago,
not to mention his die-hard fans. Today, after his resounding win in Nevada on Saturday, America’s favorite socialist can look forward to trashing the arguments of the also-rans, just like the Clinton campaign trashed his protracted case of the race in 2016. Because there are no second prizes for Joe Biden, even if he pulls off a win in South Carolina, where the next primary takes place next Saturday. And there are no second prizes for Mike Bloomberg , even if he
performs respectably on Super Tuesday, just three days later. And for Warren and Buttigieg, beating expectations is not the same as beating the opposition.
Nevada is the breakthrough moment for Bernie, after squeaking out a win in New Hampshire, and squeaking out something like a tie in whatever happened in Iowa. You can easily dismiss Nevada’s bizarre connection to reality in the tourist version of Las Vegas. You can happily downplay the small number of caucus voters, or the weirdness of the caucus process itself.
But Nevada shares some similarities with two key neighboring states: California and Arizona. Unlike the early voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, California’s Democrats are not obsessed with politics. They are what the consultants call low-information voters: they have day jobs, like the union workers in Las Vegas. But those union voters defied their bosses, at least among the Culinary Union, and voted heavily for Sanders at the caucus sites in the big hotel-casinos. So Sanders’ poll lead in California – somewhere between 8 and 18 points in recent
polls –
looks big enough to give him a delegate advantage that nobody will overturn after early March. In Texas, the other big Super Tuesday state, Biden was leading as recently as a month ago, but recent polls suggest a
narrow Sanders lead. Texas is unlikely to help the rest of the pack catch up to Bernie.
This leads us to the first and last argument that Sanders faces, which is the single most important factor for Democratic voters in every poll in this cycle: who is best placed to beat Donald Trump? The remainder of this primary contest will revolve around a never-ending, unresolvable discussion about Bernie’s prospects against Trumpian and Russian disinformation, targeted most obviously at the massive government spending he proposes. Yet the polls for all the Democratic candidates show a marginal difference between them in the notional head-to-head contests against Donald Trump. For now, a Biden or Bloomberg is a slightly better bet than a Sanders. But Sanders still beats Trump in Michigan, Pennsylvania and even Ohio. If Trump keeps hold of one of the swing states he surprisingly took in 2016, like Wisconsin, then Democrats will need to take back another state to have a couple of paths to victory in November. That’s where Arizona comes in: a state Trump won by 3.5 points last time around. Arizona and Nevada have similar percentages of Latino population: around 30% in both states. Among the Nevada caucus goers, Sanders swept Latino Democrats, taking 54% of their support – a full 40 points ahead of Joe Biden , according to CNN’s entrance poll.
Those voters cannot be dismissed lightly. They are a good reason why Arizona is now a finely balanced state where Sanders holds a nominal one-point lead over Trump, and Biden was tied with Trump in the most recent
head-to-head.
The non-Bernie candidates have almost run out of runway. But you wouldn’t know it by listening to them. According to Joe Biden, his crushing defeat in Nevada was some kind of comeback victory. “Well you all did it for me,” he told a crowd of over-excited supporters in Las Vegas. “Now we’re going on to South Carolina and we’re going to take this back.” One of his louder fans screamed out the inevitable: “The comeback kid!”
“Well you’re sending me back,” said the former vice-president, before smacking the media for declaring him dead. “We’re alive and we’re coming back and we’re going to win.” At that point, the voting count placed Biden some 25 points behind Sanders. Which only counts as alive in the sense that zombies can walk the streets at night.. Biden wasn’t the only one engaging in this kind of Trumpian projection of braggadocious fantasy over the cold hard reality of math, facts and truth “As usual I think we have exceeded expectations,” said Amy Klobuchar, who spoke before the final results were known, at a point where she was rock bottom among the candidates on the debate stage this week. To exceed expectations with a single digit percentage of the vote suggests you have the kind of expectations that doesn’t exactly inspire confidence. At that point the Minnesota senator started fondly recalling her announcement speech in a snowstorm, before she talked about traveling to South Carolina. Since she was talking from Minneapolis, the theme and logistics made more sense than the political strategy. The only candidate who made any strategic sense on Saturday was Sanders, who held his victory rally in San Antonio, Texas. If the Sanders campaign is going to end the hopes and dreams of its rivals early, they will do so in Texas. “Don’t tell anybody. I don’t want to get them nervous,” Sanders said as soon as he got on stage. “We’re going to win the Democratic primary in Texas. And, you know, this is also important. The president gets very, very upset easily. So don’t tell him we’re going to beat him in Texas.” Can Sanders come close in Texas? Possibly but not probably. Recent polls suggest he is only trailing Trump by a couple of points, marginally ahead of the other Democratic candidates. “No campaign has a grassroots movement like we do,” Sanders said on Saturday.
No campaign except the Trump campaign, that is. It won’t be long before Bernie’s grassroots go toe-to-toe with Donald’s. “Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada,” tweeted
the
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Sanders just won more votes in Nevada than all the milquetoast centrists—Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Steyer—combined. Add in the votes for Warren (who probably underperformed in Nevada given that most votes were already cast before she broke out the flamethrower in the debate and roasted Bloomberg's testicles over an open flame) and the support for candidates espousing truly progressive policies is 20 or so points more than the centrist's. And mu…
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The amazing thing is the unbridled arrogance of the "Moderates" who couldn't even beat Donald Trump 4 years ago. That campaign was a disaster, and to the extent anyone associated with it is involved in campaigns, like Biden's...the result speaks for itself. "Mr Electabilty" lost 2/5's of his lead (and elections), once people started voting. It's amazing that the "Moderates" who run the Democratic National Committee could be so blind, so long, abo… Jump to comment
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Bernie's victory speech in San Antonio sealed the deal for him, I think.
He hit every note he needed to, with clarity, directness, most importantly, _believability_. He didn't disparage his opponents, unlike the sour grapes speeches of some. Rather he outlined a very specific future that included everyone. His line about government getting off the backs of women and commitment to nominating Roe v Wade supportive judges was brilliant. I can't see t…
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ronnewmexico
3d ago
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No offense intended to the G ,who really provide a real look on this thing, as opposed to many media outlets who do not.. " RECENT POLLS SUGGEST HE IS ONLY TRAILING TRUMP BY A COUPLE OF POINTS, MARGINALLY AHEAD OF THE OTHER DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES." It appears that despite the polls, sanders has won a insurmountable amount of delegates as result of the dem primary in Nevada. The talk in media is all of a particular group of union support who versed against him and result of that. Proved not true in result, a overwhelming victory in the first primary with people of color as significant part. Is the polling inclusive of those who do not normally participate and then are not included in survey …...seems so that. Result by vote is the true test of this thing of politic, not other than that.
Polls may but guide us, but not prove that fact. Votes are the true test,none other than that. Result is always vote and who votes for what. That is the only true poll on things.
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ronnewmexico
3d ago
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I’m unclear as to how, 3 contests in, Sanders had an insurmountable lead in delegates.
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RobInTN
3d ago
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Well it amounts to a look see as to the history of this thing, and demographic considered. Sanders has now shown he has a affiliation of the of color demographic which will buy him if not outright wins in the south good showing which will have him all else considered the one to beat. He lost in 16 because of loosing the of color community to HRC. AS Nevada is a read in of color, Hispanic this seems likely to not replicate, But we will see in SC. Reply
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Zepp RobInTN
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It's the bandwagon effect. The guy in the lead always gains more support just because he is in the lead. However, it also makes him a target... Reply
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ScepitcalfromZurich
3d ago
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I’ve said this a few times ... all my liberal friends in the US are dreading Bernie getting the nomination. Firstly they don’t want him as president and secondly they think he has no chance of winning against Trump. They will simply not turn out and vote for him. Reply
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ScepitcalfromZurich
3d ago
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Will they not?
Sanders as opposed to trump who in their right mind has trump that choice?
If they vote as landowners do,the choice will be clear sanders or trump.
They will decide americans fate, I suspect it will not be trump that choice.
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ScepitcalfromZurich
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yeah but they expect bernie and his followers to vote for the democratic nominee if bernie is not elected but they wont do the say for bernie. Those democrats deserve everything they get they are just lite republicans and bernie will beat trump every poll tells us so Reply
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ScepitcalfromZurich
3d ago
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“Anyone but Sanders” A very similar thing happened here in the UK. An entitled holier-than-thou attitude amongst those claiming to be “left” will continue to embolden loony totalitarian demagogues. We’ll never learn. Reply
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DoEyeOffend001
3d ago
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> "There are, however, endless numbers of delusional candidates and > campaigns who insist that they will sweep the later states, or take > their delegates to the convention, or contest the legitimacy of the > nomination process. >
> This was the position of one Bernie Sanders four years ago, not to > mention his die-hard fans." Wow! Someone has, at best, a cursory acquaintance with recent US political history. It's like Wikileaks never happened. Reply
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DoEyeOffend001
3d ago
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There are many who hate Trump so much that without a vote are rendered powerless against him. Why then should they study all that happens under that godawful man? Reply
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Radleyman
3d ago
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Richard L. Wolffe presumes to be a journalist. An important, some might say vital, aspect of that presumption is knowledge of the subject about which one writes. If one states, as Wolffe does here, that Sanders was delusional in questioning the legitimacy of the Democratic party's conduct during the 2016 election then he either doesn't know his subject or he is a shill for another candidate. Reply
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Shorerite
3d ago
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No chance with a Socialist, sorry. Reply
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ronnewmexico
Shorerite
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Ten years ago certainly. Now? Reply
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GorCro Shorerite
3d ago
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Socialist? Where? The military? Corporate bailouts? The insurance and pharmaceutical services? Where? Reply
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Shorerite
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Ye those commies and their socialised medicine (shakes fist)!! Reply
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HippoMan
3d ago
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This year's U.S. Presidential election is the Democrats' to lose, and they are well on the way to achieving that outcome. Those who don't like Donald Trump will not come together as a whole behind Sanders. The Democrats are too divided, while the GOP supporters are mostly united behind Trump. The best that the Democrats can hope for in 2020 is to build a foundation for Progressive gains in 2022 and 2024.
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GorCro HippoMan
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But many Republicans have left the party. Reply
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HippoMan
3d ago
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AS in 2016 with HRC and her disavale of progressives, with her nomination of the most conservative of dems as her vp choice....is that not a loss?
Seems so. And seems also what was wanted was hope and change, perhaps promised but not delivered that. Reply
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3d ago
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" while the GOP supporters are mostly united behind Trump." Yeah you keep telling yourself that, with the worst approval ratings of any sitting president. Reply
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sindicato
3d ago
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From a non-American perspective there is nothing “moderate” about the US for profit health industry. Medicare 4 all is a basic human right. It’s time the USA joined the rest of civilisation and bring in public health care for everyone. Bernie 2020
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Radleyman sindicato 3d ago
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Is it 40 million or more who will die if they get any major disease because they can't afford to be hospitalised? That is the DisUnited Stink of America under Trump. And Trump wants our NHS on the Table so he can plunder it. He can fuck right off.
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sindicato
3d ago
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Fortunately your views are supported by huge numbers of young voters. But are there enough of them yet? In both the US and UK the future is looking good for the left wing, but right now there are still a lot of old right wing fools holding us back. Reply
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well, there's a few of us leftists old farts lurking about the place hither and yon... ;-P Reply
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Radleyman
3d ago
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If this Sanders win is a sign that Trump is on the way out, I'd buy American citizenship - it must be possible in Trump land - and then I'd vote him out. There is nothing I would like better. Put it another way, Trump and Johnson should try to walk the Mid-Atlantic Ridge together. Better than any wall or any bridge. Reply
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greensox Radleyman
2d ago
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I left the US 18 months ago and Trumps victory was a part of the reason. But you can’t vote him out, it’s not that simple. You’d have to go and live in a swing state for a start, I lived in New York and even I’d id had the vote it would have made no difference. New York and California would vote for a dog with a donkey lapel badge. You need to win over some of the deplorables or traditional republicans. The whole question is can Bernie do this. In America. Right now.
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1908kangaroos
3d ago
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Go Bernie. The centrist Democrats haven't the answer - they are part of the problem. As is the media that tries to talk up every other candidate. But maybe the people are ready for a new New Deal.. Reply
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1908kangaroos
3d ago
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And anyone who has any concerns about him can just fuck off and join the Republicans.
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For_Effs_Sake
3d ago
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“And anyone who has any concerns about him can just fuck off and join the Republicans.” That's a parody of the Corbynites, right? Reply
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For_Effs_Sake
3d ago
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Plenty of Democrats who don't prefer Sanders will not join the Republicans, no matter how much you might wish for them to do so. Reply
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jim.larrance
3d ago
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The amazing thing is the unbridled arrogance of the "Moderates" who couldn't even beat Donald Trump 4 years ago. That campaign was a disaster, and to the extent anyone associated with it is involved in campaigns, like Biden's...the result speaks for itself. "Mr Electabilty" lost 2/5's of his lead (and elections), once people started voting. It's amazing that the "Moderates" who run the Democratic National Committee could be so blind, so long, about winning elections. Every time someone from that group has stood for the Presidency-- Gore, Kerry, Hillary-- they've lost. And when it comes to red-baiting the Democrats, I wonder how that will even be possible. Maybe by ignoring what the World knows about Donald Trump and Mr Putin, which is obvious to anyone not being paid to deny it.
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jim.larrance
3d ago
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I agree with everything else you wrote, but let’s not forget HRC won the popular vote by a huge margin. Sanders will win both. Reply
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jim.larrance
3d ago
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Gore lost in part because of Ralph Nader. Clinton lost in part because of Jill Stein (and the Comey letter). Sanders will be the George McGovern of our time. Reply
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UnevenSurface
3d ago
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I just read today that about 1 and one half million voters in California alone were actually not eligible to vote- I bet most ( if not all) were Clinton voters. I doubt she won the popular vote- personally, I don't believe a word she or the DNC say. Reply
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SteveParadis
3d ago
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Well, it's a definite win for Putin. His two favored candidates are in the lead to clinch their respective nominations.
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SteveParadis
3d ago
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Eh?
Do you assume all candidates you dont like are selected by Putin? Reply
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StuffnBalls
3d ago
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As if anyone in America cares who Putin favors or not? Clearly they do not,they vote as per who favors their interests about always.
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ronnewmexico
3d ago
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Trump has actually been PROVEN to have been "interfered with" and nobody in the US seems to give a shit. It wont end well, election interference is unpleasant if your used to giving it out rather than taking it. Reply
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gracedwheels
3d ago
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Bernie's overriding integrity and commitment to the rights of everyday people is proving to be an enormous source of inspiration to the citizens of the US. Reply
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gracedwheels
3d ago
12 13
Don't tell that to Solent Bound or SuddenOakDeath... Reply
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Berkeley2013
gracedwheels
3d ago
30 31
This is a great comment: this is why S will now get enormous momentum. Interestingly it will be Latino voters who fuel this and win the election for him.
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gracedwheels
2d ago
5 6
Is planning to spend umpteen trillion dollars without costing it, let alone figuring out how to raise it, a sign of integrity? The man is a bald faced liar, he has no idea how to build a healthcare system. Reply
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GorCro
3d ago
9 10
Ttump is ttoast.
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Eisenhower GorCro
3d ago
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Trump is toasting right now. Reply
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Eisenhower
3d ago
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Toasting what? Burgers? Reply
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harrynutzek
3d ago
6 7
Are all the moderates and establishment dems going to abstain from voting now to get revenge on the Bernie Bros? Those damn Bernie Bros! When will they realize they can't force their opinions on everyone! Reply
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harrynutzek
3d ago
17 18
Well trumps forcing his opinions on everyone, isn't he? Reply
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harrynutzek
3d ago
17 18
Do the Bernie bros then pale in comparison to the trupite trolls..I sugest they do.
Who has received more threat on life and liberty, is it trump and his followers or AOC and those of like sort, on the progressive side? The answer is clearly obvious. Reply
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Jympton
3d ago
234 235
I love the 'socialist' bit. I hope he beats Trump hands down, but he ain't no 'socialist', man. In America, you're a 'socialist' if you're kind to little old ladies or give up your seat for someone on a bus. Reply
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Jympton
3d ago
117 118
It seems you're a socialist simply by not being, or wanting to be, a billionaire.
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Jympton
3d ago
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He's aspirationally socialist, but his platform is social democratic, not socialist.
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quetzal2 Jympton
3d ago
12 13
Of course he is a socialist. He is proposing a command and control economy with a massive increase in government spending and involvement.
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StuffnBalls
3d ago
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If Sanders wins the election it might be an interesting volt face for Britain under Johnson. ...right in the middle of brexit no less.... Reply
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harrynutzek
3d ago
48 49
Oh gawd pls don't let Bernie be elected and institute a safety net and tax corporations!! My stock portfolio may be affected, somebody has to do something or I'm voting for trump! Reply
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harrynutzek
3d ago
43 44
Your stock portfolio is fucked anyway, as soon as the tax bubble Donald created bursts.... Reply
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rosylululu
harrynutzek
3d ago
16 17
Purely selfish point of view- the good of the planet, affordable health care for all, re-instituting the Iran nuke deal and fair deal for Palestinians are worthy of loss of money in the stock market ( and I will lose there too!!). Reply
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harrynutzek
3d ago
86 87
The irony in my post dripping in sarcasm is that people take me seriously because that is genuinely what they are concerned about - their piddling stock portfolios instead of the good of the country Reply
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Berkeley2013
3d ago
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Obviously we (Sanders' supporters) are pleased right now; we're also not surprised at all because our candidate is the only one who offers anything f
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Berkeley2013
3d ago
9 10
I wanted the f, real bad, and only Bernie was offering it. Reply
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Eisenhower
3d ago
11 12
I am sorry--I was on the DC Metro and my phone shut down. Reply
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Berkeley2013
3d ago
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Don't be sorry. Eisenhower isn't here to help. Reply
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passopp
3d ago
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The rich ain't amused. Reply
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passopp
3d ago
9 10
fuck 'em. 'bout time they fucked off and quit trying to tell the rest of us what to do.
or not. sooner or later, though, they might get that choice taken away.
personally, I like rich folks. them's good eatin'!! Reply
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Eisenhower passopp
3d ago
5 6
(1) Go to a Trump rally. He gets 30,000 people at a time. They're not rich. Not even close. It looks like a trailer park in there. (2) To the extent "the rich" support Trump, do you think they're scared right now? Or celebrating? Reply
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Eisenhower
3d ago
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The people at the rallies follow it round like groupies, it's the same 30000 people, I've even spotted the same people at different rallies. Yes they are poor, but then so are most Americans now. The rich dont need to attend rallies, they attend mar-a-largo food hall for a personal favour from trump. Man of the people my arse. They are toothless, but also brainless. They will turn on him when they realise there isn't actually a wall. Reply
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John Farragher
3d ago
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By our, European, standards Bernie is a moderate, Donald is the extremist.
It's interesting that the democrats appear to ignore this Reply
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3d ago
15 16
Yes in this place a NHS is a socialist intervention. Far that from the real in a global context. Reply
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Farragher
3d ago
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That's because Democrats and Republicans alike are Americans, and Sanders' position is far to the left of the traditional mainstream in this country. The voters here do not have European views of Socialism. Reply
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HippoMan
3d ago
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They dont have a European view or any view at all, just misinformed and uneducated
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Papaplone
3d ago
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Trump vs Sanders, game, set and match Vladimir Putin. Reply
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Papaplone
3d ago
14 15
Excepting the Russian card was played prior to the Nevada caucus result.
It did not work to any degree. Reply
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Papaplone
3d ago
10 11
So you have the low down on which candidates are not supported by Putin?
I could do with a laugh.. Reply
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Papaplone
3d ago
14 15
Man, you Clintonian corporate liberals are even dumber in 2020 than you were in 2016. Drop the Putin scare-mongering, only morons fall for it.
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harrynutzek
3d ago
12 13
If Bernie beats trump and actually becomes president (without being assassinated first), would make Obama being elected the first time around seem like a snooze fest Reply
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harrynutzek
3d ago
2 3
Is this an expert opinion? Reply
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StuffnBalls
3d ago
2 3
Experts are worth nothing when it comes to economics and politics. Reply
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Gnostradamus
3d ago
2 3
Well that's an absurd statement considering the salaries paid by political parties for expert insight into polling and the electorate. In fact what you said couldn't be further from the truth. Just because you dont understand what theh know, it doesn't mean its worthless.
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AshTrees
3d ago
6 7
I live in Pennsylvania and I don’t think Sanders would beat Trump unfortunately. I think a lot of people won’t show up for Sanders which is why Trump won here four years ago. I volunteered locally for Hilary Clinton. No one had anything good say about her or Trump and he won. We’ve seen from primaries so far that while he wins the youth vote he’s not increasing the overall numbers like Obama did. I don’t see him having more support than Hilary and she lost. Unless he can get some people who voted for Trump to vote for him it’s not enough.
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AshTrees
3d ago
28 29
I voted for Trump, but Bernie's got me- and I know others that will do the same.
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AshTrees
3d ago
13 14
Polling in Penn speaks against that as fact. Reply
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AshTrees
3d ago
35 36
Many who voted for trump have already decided they wony vote for him again.
His rallies are to the exact same audience, trump will find out at election time how easy it is to fill a stadium, but much harder to keep the people you screwed over. Namely women, any immigrant, Mexicans, the middle class, farmers, factory workers, soldiers deployed in Iraq, anyone who gives a shit about climate change and anyone who understands the tax system. That's a wide range of people across all political divides. Reply
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jeromeknewton
3d ago
5 6
The dem delegates will veto bernie and put up a beige stooge, ensuring another four years of trump. Reply
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jeromeknewton
3d ago
5 6
Says so a republican I can firmly guess. Reply
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ronnewmexico
3d ago
10 11
Attested to by this prior comment.."Right-wing and proudly, staunchly anti-intellectual.
which I have no problem with, fairly stated. But please do refrain from telling us who are nominee should be. Reply
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ronnewmexico
3d ago
1 2
Well, if he's right-wing, that's one of the smarter things I've heard a right-winger say in quite a while. Do you disagree with what he said, Ron?
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ScunDave
3d ago
12 13
I don't understand why all these candidates are still in it. I mean what is Klobuchar still doing? I can understand Warren and Biden still being in, and I can see why Buttigieg thought he might still stand a chance. But at this point the others need to give up the ghost. They could possibly still beat Sanders if they dropped out and left a single candidate. hopefully they won't. He's not a socialist though. He's to the right of Tony Blair for god sake. Reply
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ScunDave
3d ago
10 11
If sanders gets less than fifty percent it then is thrown to a second ballot. And the party regulars as per superdelegates, will then decide the outcome, not popular vote. Party regulars are conservative per political bias. Reply
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ScunDave
3d ago
11 12
Sanders, who recently beat *every* Dem nominee in a Yahoo/You Gov poll in direct match-ups, is running on a robustly social democratic platform, and, as such, is considerably to the left of Bush's neo-liberal pet poodle, Tony Blair. Reply
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3d ago
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Most will be gone on March 4. Reply
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rpasea
3d ago
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"Unlike the early voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, California’s Democrats are not obsessed with politics." Did you mean Nevada's Democrats are not obsessed? Reply
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3d ago
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And apparently whoever knows nothing about California Reply
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